D\&D - 2025/03/12 16:00 EDT – Transcript

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David Busby, David Busby's Presentation, david raistrick, david's Fathom Notetaker

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David Busby: three 321. I guess it's live now. So, yeah, we went back and started off looking at an ATS and duck.go and then resume genius,…

David Busby: which I think is a resume builder and how to build a resume, a cover letter, my least favorite thing in the entire world. which isn't a CV the same as a resume?

david raistrick: but not I mean we use them interchangeably…

David Busby: I mean,…

david raistrick: but Right.

David Busby: who says they're different, I don't know. I think the name of my document doesn't even include either of those. It just says That's it. David Busby. PDF because I'm so clever.

David Busby: But this resume we're looking at just looks like something that you'd want to get when you have somebody you're hiring regular.

david raistrick: So chat GPT says that a resume is concise one to two pages.

David Busby: Start uploading people your 50page resume.

david raistrick: It's a summary versus a CV you're is a longer more comprehensive entire career. So apparently I only do CVS because the concise thing you can't fit 33 years of experience in one page and…

David Busby: I mean

david raistrick: I've tried it and all it ends up doing is leading to questions. Right?

david raistrick: When you send someone a truncated, filter watered down, job history removed resume, then they say, okay, what did you do before 5 years ago or…

david raistrick: 10 years ago, you are of an age clearly. You talk about experiences. How did you get those experiences? Right.

David Busby: Didn't have room on my one pager. it's completely on the other side of the universe but still in the whole tech entrepreneurship job space that we generally are b**** about is the entrepreneur has to show up and do a one minute pitch and then at the end of the one minute pitch it's like hey how come you didn't say something about blah blah blah.

david raistrick: Right.

David Busby: I had 60 seconds. I'm trying to put all the important stuff into that 60 seconds and I wanted to talk about my team and my traction and that's why I left out the specific mechanics of our, You can't even say battery chemistry in 60 seconds, right? so maybe you need two resumes or, a resume that's a one pager and then has a little teaser link at the bottom.

David Busby: please go and visit my CV that has all your s*** on it and your resume is now the equivalent of this is my one minute pitch or maybe that's what the cover letter is again I've never done a cover letter in my entire life and…

David Busby: It's not something I plan on doing and…

david raistrick: I've done them very few times.

David Busby: then I don't think I've ever asked for it yeah,…

david raistrick: The times where they made sense was when I was faxing resumes. that's when they were relevant.

David Busby: right. When I finish by owl then

david raistrick: And I got jobs by faxing resumes. In fact, one job that I got it took me three weeks to get my resume printed sent around sent to my mom and my mom was able to find somebody that had a fax machine and she could fax the resume, right?

david raistrick: And the timing worked perfect because the guy at the adjacent company was standing at the copy machine when my resume came through the fax machine and he's like we need to create an opening for this guy for this job for this person…

David Busby: No heat.

david raistrick: because he didn't never even let the resume land at the company I applied to because it was just a cable pulling job, right? He's like, "We have an ISP. This guy has ISP experience." And it was just the luck of the facts.

david raistrick: But yeah,…

david raistrick: Where when I've done cover letters is when I was cold emailing or anytime I'm emailing somebody directly where I'm emailing individual, right? The cover letter will be the email that I write, right? Which might be as simple as, "Hey, could be somebody.

David Busby: Hey, what's up?

David Busby: I found your company was hot. I found your company had some money and I want some of it. Give me Yeah,…

david raistrick: You're doing something that I have experience in. Can I help you? Will you pay me?

David Busby: all of these résumés are just like these resume templates. I don't see any pro tips that are saying anything about it tuning up for how an ATX is going to work, but

david raistrick: But that format is very ingestable, right?

david raistrick: The problem that you run into is people who will make columnated resumeumés or put graphics on them because maybe they're somebody in graphics design space help them build their resume. and so they put lots of stuff and…

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david raistrick: they'll put pieces over here in one column and they'll put pieces over here in another column and they'll have main stuff and when the ATS tries to ingest it and it either just flows down a column and so you get random inter interled orders or it will flow across the page.

David Busby: I didn't mind this is one I generate with ré ré json. I don't know if you've ever seen that tool,…

David Busby: but you know what I'm really looking forward actually is resumeé yaml because I like to add comments and you can't put comments in Jason.

david raistrick: You can't put comments in JSON,…

david raistrick: right? Exactly.

David Busby: I mean, you can, but then you're having these weird cludgy funny key names and…

david raistrick: Or…

David Busby: s*** and I don't like that.

david raistrick: or you use a JSON C library instead because JSON C allows comments but

David Busby:

David Busby: I'm out. No deal. just give me YAML or why can't we just all go back to I ini files remember so okay a thousand years ago it was all XML was the coolest s*** right and I mean it was the late 90s XML was the coolest s*** and then this one dev I had hired he's like XML is going to save the world it's so cool it can do all of this neat stuff and it can

David Busby: do really like a whole lot of neat stuff. And then one of the cool things that it did like out of the box a 100** years ago was load up this XML that some chucklehead has given you and then your library will just magically validate it against the schema and the name space and all of this magic sauce works right out of the box and you've got a nice tree structure you can read through when you want to read the tree structure. So then many many years later, somebody said, "Hey, I want a tree structure something or other." So we're throwing around JSON blobs with no schema validation or any of that other stuff. And someone says, " let's make a JSON schema schema and then we'll use the JSON the JSON schema against this JSON schema validator." cool.

David Busby: we started all over and…

David Busby: and furthermore then they say, " we've reinvented the wheel. You have not reinvented the wheel. You invented it one** time. It worked. You have reimplemented the wheel and your wheel is crappier." End end of that rant.

david raistrick: Yes. Still a wheel.

david raistrick: You know what a wheel is. You didn't have to invent a wheel. You just Yeah.

David Busby:

David Busby: ATS friendly resume. Here it says minimalist design blah blah blah. You were just saying that don't do columns. Do something keywords preformatted. Label your sections clearly. Professional experience and educations and skill set school. You were just saying avoid headers. This is from Indeed's career guide here. You were just say avoid headers, columns, tables, and graphics. I agree. Choose a correct font. You better say sand serif.

David Busby: I don't even know if any of these are sand sif, but no,…

david raistrick: Ariel is definitely a sarah font.

david raistrick: I think I'm not sure about Garand, but it's a pretty common Sarah.

David Busby: that one's serif. it's okay.

david raistrick: I like Sarah fonts, but I cannot lie.

David Busby:

David Busby: It's okay to be wrong. and then it says it's got to be 10 and 12 points. Big font. that's what they also say on Your inperson pitch deck that's going on the projector behind Big ass, not 72 point or something along that. Even when you're doing a web presentation, somebody's looking at your presentation on their tiny little screen. Do they want to squint at that and stuff like this?

David Busby: Give them a big font, too. apply keyword optimization. Do something with relevant keywords. there's an article about magical stuff.

David Busby: Make sure you include masters of business administration. If you're having an MBA, if the ATS is so garbage and it's now all and…

david raistrick: and they are that's…

David Busby: it can't make and no MBA means MBA and not No,…

david raistrick: because They may be searching for masters or masters of business. So, if it just takes MBA and puts it into your keywords that the search engine's going to look for, it's up to the person searching.

David Busby: No, no, no. Because the engine is supposed to be smart enough to handle all of those aliens.

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david raistrick: The problem is that they aren't.

David Busby: Okay, so we have a different …

david raistrick: If we were building an ATS, it would probably work differently.

David Busby: so if you miss out on the job because they were searching for post,…

David Busby: you had PostgreSQL and they were searching for Postgress and it doesn't even know how to branch or partial match like some kind of word or something. listen Right?

david raistrick: And…

david raistrick: they build filters for exclusion, They get a thousand resumes and if they decide that, okay, we need to filter those out. We're going to just remove anything that doesn't come up with PostgreSQL, then your Postgress doesn't have match postgrql. you don't know which one they're going to use. So, it's important to use multiple variants of the terminology in your resume.

David Busby: Because I got experience with both EC and…

david raistrick: It's SEO,…

David Busby: JavaScript. This one here says to final section put your skills and…

david raistrick: it's It's just SEO.

david raistrick: We're just doing it in a three different search engine.

David Busby: keyword stuff the s* out of the final section for your skills. I wonder if that's what res Jason resume does. No, it ends with volunteering and education. I would have it put the skill set at the top or…

david raistrick: Yeah. I mean,…

David Busby: maybe I've told it to do that somehow. I'm not entirely sure how it

david raistrick: I think from an ATS standpoint, it generally does okay either direction. the humans tend to like these at the top because when we look at a resume,…

David Busby: Right.

david raistrick: we're going to go, " quick scan. do I see things I'm looking for?" That if you put it at the bottom, then the human's going to have to go to the bottom. But you might do more keyword stuffing at the bottom, right?

david raistrick: You might say, okay, I'm a video encoding specialist and so I, focused on x265 and I've done a lot of x264, but you might put, …

david raistrick: impecc. Yeah.

David Busby: This one says resume and…

David Busby: it complete something ume validate. this is from the JSON universe for resume something or other. But I don't think my resume is actually built with that one because it doesn't match my resume JSON file. But I have some markdown. And so I may have just done a thing like pandock or something. I can't tell from any of these other tools that exist here if I have anything that does that.

David Busby: I'm looking for something that would say MD2 something. Don't have that. I wonder how I made this resume then. That's disappointing and I should be able to remember it since the last time I fiddled with this was two years ago. Oops. I guess we'll have to come back to resume, Jason. So, that's how you write a resume. Okay. And here's another resume template.

David Busby: Sign up to download. f*** there's another problem. What do they call Inshittification. You're in shitifying all of my stuff. here we go. Do you I don't put my location and other stuff on there. I put my name and I put my email and my phone number.

david raistrick: In today's world,…

david raistrick: I think it's mixed.

David Busby: Do you need that phone,…

David Busby: email? I got a website.

david raistrick: a you're…

David Busby: My website, but do you need …

david raistrick: if you're going to let the parser parse it needs to find something or it's going to make things up and fill things out. If you're going to fill it in by hand, it's still going to ask you somewhere in the flow to give them a city, state, country.

David Busby: Because that's the other common problem with every ATS. It's like,…

david raistrick: everything that was in your resume. Yes.

David Busby: please upload your resume that includes everything. Step two, fill out this form that includes all the stuff that was on your this is the fun part of that whole process. you offload all of that work to someone who is seeking the work. And now you don't have to do that as the hiring manager or as the recruiter, things like this. Anyhow, two or three sentences or…

David Busby: bullet points that include your years of experience and Action verb…

david raistrick: Wonderful. MBA and…

David Busby: what you did or detail plus reason outcome or quantified results. you got to talk about quantified results because you need to know that I'm the kind of guy who's going to work on my stats for this quarter so I can get a bonus and not worry about the long term. I don't mean to sound too jaded, but I am. This is exactly how you keyword stuff your skill set too, skill, skill. I got all the degree, major, something. So, you could put in your skills or something.

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David Busby: I have an NBA.

david raistrick: masters of business. Yes.

David Busby: And then down here in education, you'd write, " I got masters of business administration, PNS, MBA." Maybe you can't put PNS around it because the ATS is so s*** that it'll not work with that thing either. Sorry, parenthesis confuse our parser. I could believe it.

David Busby: Upload your resume. $35. $35 in three days. $55 delivered in two hours. $155 delivered in two days. Professionally, resume blah blah. Hey, look at all the five stars reviews they have received.

david raistrick: H How much do you want to bet?

David Busby: Amazing. How much do you want to bet?

david raistrick: They're just feeding it through an LLM.

David Busby: How would we test that?

david raistrick: I'm not paying money.

David Busby: I love science. How would you test it?

david raistrick: I don't know.

David Busby: Order one of these things. And then it says personalized suggestions. Here's how to test it. Let's use an LLM to generate six PDFs for people with varying levels of qualifications for some s***.

David Busby: And then you could feed that into resumeé review Six different resumes for different jobs. You know what I mean? have the LLM guess at six jobs we should pick and…

david raistrick: It's interesting.

David Busby: then put it in there and then look for was this response LLM generated that could be a fun exper experiment all right that's how to write a cool resume it was greenhouse one of those things it's a greenhouseio and…

david raistrick: It's greenhouse.o, but I think you have to find There you go.

David Busby: And then it bounces me to greenhouse.com. They're the same thing.

david raistrick: Yeah, I guess're apply when you're hitting the application field, the application pages, they'll be Yeah.

David Busby: They're hosting their app on that other thing, I guess. Hey, they got some API if you're into that. Open to all advanced integrations. Ready to do something. Get a demo. That's Lime survey is hiring. yeah. That's where I found those things. So here's workable. Did we already fiddle with them? yeah, we did. Line survey. So autof Import resume from my Desktop. Resumeé. David Bosby PDF. Let's see how smart this one Got my first name and last name. I don't know if that other stuff is there.

David Busby: my Got half of it. experience. me it did pretty okay. It says I need a title for Adosio experience. I have no title at Adosio. I'm the** dude, man. What did I do to turn my markdown into PDF? I wonder what I did here. I don't even have it in my notes, That's frustrating. no, it's not. I know what it was. Good old Pandock never fails. So, what's my title The dude.

David Busby: When I worked at Microsoft, man, one of these guys on the office on the IP SEC team or something, he was on a different floor than me. And then one of the guys on my team was like, " you got to see this guy's office." So his office was spooky dark, he had a window so you could see him, but his office was always spooky dark. And then on the door, his title said the dude industry for Adosio industry. Yes, I'm in I do industry now. I have a cons I have a summary there and I don't know if it caught any summary from those other things.

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David Busby: No, that's the other job. I don't know. I'll just like paste that s* back in here. Start date 2001. Update. So, these other ones don't have a summary. I wonder…

david raistrick: Yeah, it didn't pick up summaries.

David Busby: why not. But I've got summary data,…

david raistrick: I like how company is optional though. Title is required, but company is optional and start date and end date are optional.

David Busby: Can you explain this gap in your resume?

David Busby: No. f*** what is this even for? Full stop developer. please fill out this field. Looks like I'm signing up for something, You're gonna have to put my phone number in there. That's cool. Address is optional.

david raistrick: I've gotten to…

david raistrick: where most of those I just put 5551212.

David Busby: No.

David Busby: I got a real phone number. Hey, photo optional.

david raistrick: Because I don't want them to text me.

David Busby: Get my phone. I don't think that phone number receives texts.

david raistrick: Yeah. yours doesn't

David Busby:

David Busby: I don't know. It's a Twilio phone number and it used to do texting but then all these things got locked down with something and 10 DLC and you have to do this for all your advertising campaigns. So now I used to use that phone number. It's my incoming phone. It used to receive texts. I don't know if it can do that anymore. And I used to use it for sending text, right? My home server needs to tell me something or blah blah blah. I was just like I was using this Twilio thing to send myself me my wife get a text once every three days like some nonsense the thing is like we've noticed something or…

David Busby: the temperature is blah whatever noise it need to make I do not know how it got my image but that is the right picture of me and…

david raistrick: Is it?

David Busby: I'm looking in my resume that I uploaded and…

david raistrick: Do you have a gravitar?

David Busby: I have it.

David Busby: No, dont think I forgot about gravitar, That thing that guy Matt made, but then he went crazy.

david raistrick: because I find lots of things still will pull from gravitar.

david raistrick: So if it references the email address and looks at gravitar for that email then it'll pull.

david raistrick: I mean obviously anything WordPress related still does, but I'll find it's always interesting to me to find something that pulls from Gravitar and you're like, " surprise. You didn't give it a LinkedIn profile link, did you?" Yeah.

David Busby: I think that's my LinkedIn photo.

David Busby: I didn't give it a profile link, but that is my LinkedIn photo, I don't know. Inspect Element. Let's see what they've done. they got their own copy of it. 56 by 56. my LinkedIn one's 200 by 200.

david raistrick: Is it your Google email profile image? Yeah.

David Busby: Nah, that's the doio icon. interesting. They found me. That's cool. I know how they found me, dude. This Come on, let's be for real. They looked for David Bosby on LinkedIn and then found one who was at these companies and…

david raistrick: I'm sure that's…

David Busby: was like, this is the guy." Hey,…

david raistrick: what they did.

David Busby: why did I think maybe I selected to edit that one. Yeah. So, it didn't have Submit the other thing.

david raistrick: Are you human? Too bad I've been stuck in a bunch of Cloudflare and…

David Busby:

David Busby: Cool. Have you tried rebooting?

david raistrick: GitLabs captures like that. stuck in infinite loops now. I can't get through them in some of my browsers. How about it just turn the internet off and…

David Busby: Dude.

david raistrick: back on again?

David Busby:

David Busby: In the list of things that we can complain about is how many times you email somebody because you're sending a problem to support and you're like, "Hey, I've opened the browser console and here I'm showing a whole bunch of error logs coming off of your system where your server is throwing out 500 level errors or you're referencing scripts that don't exist. The video that I sent you shows me holding jump cache and…

David Busby: reload and stuff like this and they say, maybe you could try a different browser." your website doesn't work with Chrome.

david raistrick: What other browser is there?

david raistrick: There's only Chrome. I mean, and Firefox.

David Busby: There's Firefox and…

david raistrick: Everything else.

David Busby: Ladybird and…

david raistrick: And nobody writes for Firefox.

David Busby: Verso and Pillow.

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david raistrick: And those aren't Chrome skins. Come on.

David Busby: No, Vivaldi and…

David Busby: Brave are Chrome skins.

david raistrick: Yeah, I have heard

David Busby: Ladybird's And Servo/Berso is not a chrome skin. Ladybird's its new rendering engine. And Servo's its own brand ass new rendering engine. And then don't even forget about whatever's going on with the quickjs guys got something going. I think maybe I can't remember. There's another one that's going on that's doing this browsery thing whose name I can't remember, but trying to do little embedded s***. I'll find it, We should do another jam session about Look at all these browsers. line survey is that's the one that came from the other spot.

david raistrick: I have no idea that Snoop

David Busby: But here's another one from How do you pronounce J O I Y? Is that job icky or is that it's joby. This one has a tailor resume button with the same little four point star thing. you have to upgrade to plus. I wonder how much it Go on Java key and find work. Job. Here's pricing.

David Busby: $95. One job ad. you can go for free and do something. that's pricing. If you want to post a gig, $95 a job. Okay, I get That's fine. That seems reasonable. And then if you want to do resume crap, you get $45 for three months. So 15 a month. CV view statistics. is this thing working on my resume or…

David Busby: is this thing working on my CV? Because here it says resume and here it says CV and as the AI bot just recently told us.

david raistrick: Like I said,…

david raistrick: in this world, they are actually just interchangeable terms. It's so interchangeable that they're using them right there next to each other.

David Busby: I don't want to post a free CV.

david raistrick: CV posting, create your resume. Yeah, that doesn't seem like it should be a work email,…

David Busby:

David Busby: I already have it. Do you think that when you post somebody your CV and then it fills it out and it asks you for your work email, why would you email me at the job that I'm trying to quit? Maybe you should put in your personal email, right? No,…

david raistrick: does it?

David Busby: that should be If you're a candidate,…

david raistrick: I mean, if I'm a recruiter tab of this, But maybe this is a UI pro. No. it's not the dark one that you collected.

David Busby: you give them your work email. And if you're a recruiter, you give them your company email.

david raistrick: That doesn't make any sense.

David Busby: Sure. or is your main company email like info@co companyame.com or is that your Guys,…

david raistrick: Your email at the company, And so up here,…

David Busby: here's another one of those same job developers. I sort of want to see. Let's go back to pricing. What am I going to get for free? Whoops. What am I going to your page doesn't remember the state. That's awesome.

david raistrick: in this field, dark is the selected one.

david raistrick: In that other one, the dark is the unselected one.

David Busby: Yeah,…

David Busby: why not?

David Busby: Do you even understand art, come on.

david raistrick: It's design.

david raistrick: You don't need to understand it.

David Busby: It's design.

david raistrick: It's just supposed to look pretty.

David Busby: Exactly. The design is very human. I was hoping it was going to do something for my CV, but this doesn't create your online resume and for $0 I can get fast approval and then for $45 I can get instant approval and the FAQs are all about my Remote job listings. There sure is a lot of remote jobs.

David Busby: is competing with Peter levels for remote jobs from…

David Busby: what is it Okay, is it let's see…

david raistrick: Everything is a remote job site now.

david raistrick: I mean, after Indeed and LinkedIn and all the other majors decided to add the filter by remote, then everything's a remote job site now. It used to be very very very hard to filter by remote in LinkedIn for years and…

David Busby:

David Busby: if I Oregon is that I mean Yeah.

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david raistrick: years and years. The common theme was you would post your remote job as a remote Oregon and people would search for remote Oregon. There's a town in Oregon called remote. It has more jobs than anything in the world than any other place in the world I think or did for a long time.

David Busby: right. Cool.

david raistrick: do you have to click the search button?

David Busby: I just did a search for jobs here that included SQL and it's Still SQL search. No gigs.

David Busby:

david raistrick: Is that a button? That is a button.

David Busby: I clicked enter.

david raistrick: Yeah, but that doesn't always do what you think it does. Okay. If there's no Python,…

David Busby: It better. there's no gigs for JavaScript. Everybody wants Java. Nope. All right.

david raistrick: then clearly we are in a All right.

David Busby: I don't know. Python. The letter A.

david raistrick: Job position.

David Busby: I know how to search, bro. I'm good at it.

David Busby: I don't think there's not a lot of digs here.

david raistrick: So basically they don't have a lot of companies coming in and…

david raistrick: filling it and pressing their submit a job or it for free or pay Yeah,…

David Busby: I think you might be right.

David Busby: And here's a ad in the middle of the job listing for me to post my CV. FAQ. File uploads are not Fill out our form manually. That one you can't even do your Why would you need a site to host your resume though? Do you know? Like what's up with that?

david raistrick: I don't know. I mean, it's not like give us a link to your resume is a thing in any of the job application platforms.

David Busby: No, if you have a profile site or…

David Busby: something like this, you should be able to drive people right to that. I think, if it's a text space or…

david raistrick: The only place you can use it would be right.

David Busby: if you're a designers have to have that.

david raistrick: Yeah. Very nice face.

David Busby: Sort by newest jobs. Back to remote. that's a good one. I love that they have that, I really wish that they would bring back the whole under construction animated that one was cool. Yeah, soda data.

David Busby: Trying to find one that seems good. Ops manager, web 3 and Ethereum out. Senior DevOps engineer.

david raistrick: for60 to $80,000 a year.

david raistrick: How senior are they?

David Busby: I don't know. It has a star symbol next to it. No salary data published by the company. So we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to design,…

David Busby: Python, DevOps, cloud, senior engineer, and Linux. How much do you think someone should make in the United States as a senior DevOps? Let's look at what they got to do. talent where no that says 170 to 200 a year equity.

david raistrick: Look, they do actually have it posted.

david raistrick: They put a number in there. 170 to 200 below your mouse. Keep going. Just below that right there.

David Busby: Yes. It says right here no salary data published.

david raistrick: So, they actually did list it.

david raistrick: It just doesn't fit into their Right.

David Busby: This is the note from here that says,…

david raistrick: Yeah. …

David Busby: "Okay." Whoa,…

david raistrick: they didn't successfully scrape that.

David Busby: It says, "This job could be pseudon anonymous and you could get paid in crypto." That's interesting.

david raistrick: At least they do have a reasonable salary on it. Yeah.

David Busby: Senior remote something big investors

David Busby: Yeah, it's unfortunate that it wasn't showing up at the top. Sales development. What do you think of sales development? this thing turned into a wall of text.

David Busby: I think this turned into a wall of text because whatever is taking are they says,…

david raistrick: Yeah, because they're just scraping these out of via the APIs for all those platforms,…

david raistrick: Yeah. click the apply? Where does it go? which platform? It's at the top. there's one at the bottom, too. Yeah,…

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David Busby: "No, it says remote." Okay. Lash …

david raistrick: let's see where it redirects to.

David Busby:

David Busby: it's giving me their job number. Look. Do you think you have to go through this one to…

david raistrick: That's requires you to sign in with them to be able to click through.

David Busby: then go to the next remote jobs API?

david raistrick: I think they still end up linking you to the ATS directly.

David Busby: Hey, They have this thing that's called hacker news mode. What's that up? that is very very cool. Yeah. that's very cool.

David Busby: I good job you…

david raistrick: If you're not gonna…

david raistrick: if you're going to knock off a bad UI, you might as well use that one. Exactly.

David Busby: what do you mean bad It does everything you want it to Check your spam box something. JavaScript alert on sign up. So this guy Peter level who made this thing right he has a spot where he sells some swag somewhere or he was going somewhere to sell some swag. Let's see if we can find it. This house does not exist.

David Busby: make 2020 something. Listen, dude was put a thing up there and you can buy a hat that said index.php. If you look at his Twitter, he's like, " yeah, I'm coding up all my stuff with Tailwind and PHP or something like this." And at one of the open coffees, we were pointing folks to the dude's profile and on the entrepreneur side and he looks at the thing and goes, " that guy used PHP. f*** him." and stops paying attention and sort of missed the point that dude's barfed out like 80 prototype projects and…

David Busby: been able to hang on to the ones that work and is making pretty dang good money. So who cares if it's PHP? you're paying attention to the wrong part of the information pattern.

david raistrick: Language does not matter.

David Busby: …

david raistrick: Yep. Language does not matter at all.

David Busby: nobody who's writing checks cares about any of the religious arguments about this language is better than the other one.

david raistrick: Unless you're building a product for a language or for developers who use that language, product consumer cares about…

David Busby:

David Busby: That part doesn't matter. got my login profile photo.

david raistrick: what language it's in. I go to bassf.com because I'm looking for BASF products, right?

david raistrick: I don't care what they wrote their website or as BSF, doesn't make the products anyway. They just make them better. So, still one of my favorite commercials.

David Busby: I don't even know what you're on about.

David Busby: What's the commercial?

david raistrick: It was an old BASF commercial about that we don't make the products that you buy.

david raistrick: We make the products that you buy better.

David Busby: Sorry, your picture has to be bigger. f*** you, man. I don't have to be 512.

david raistrick: You need a bigger picture. We can't take scaled down images.

David Busby: I couldn't detect a face. man.

David Busby: Dude, I don't even have one that is my face. I wonder if that's necessary.

david raistrick: It must be at least 500 by 500.

david raistrick: Scale it up.

David Busby: Why don't you just have a button on there that says click here to activate the camera and we'll take your picture.

david raistrick: Does it require a photo?

David Busby:

David Busby: I don't know. I'm already moved.

david raistrick: It's not star. So how many of these fields are required?

David Busby: Already moved on.

david raistrick: It's either all or none based the way the UI is built.

David Busby: Email notifications. I'll turn that off. GitHub, Twitter, LinkedIn, Nomad, Insta. Write a bio about yourself. I'm going to dig that Available for work. Your preferred annual pay It says gives you already in the thousands. So, I don't know, 250. My preferred hourly, I guess, would be twice that, right? Badges. Early adopter. This site's been around for a hundred years,…

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David Busby: and I'm an early adopter. Please enter at least a single skill set. This was one you were talking about.

david raistrick: There's your tag club.

david raistrick: There's a perfect opportunity for you to put your NBA. then masters of business administration from the University of Le Did you ever do any VRML?

David Busby: I don't have an NBA.

David Busby: Go Just get good tags. You can just free form. Listen, I got JavaScript. I got JS, HTML, HTT. I do HTMX, I love that thing. HTMX. No, but I used A-Frame before. You ever used A-Frame,…

david raistrick: Nope. when I was using Eric for years,…

David Busby: frame is very cool.

david raistrick: it had a built-in VMR VRML browser.

david raistrick: So I get bored every now and…

David Busby: Yeah.

david raistrick: and spend time with VRML.

David Busby: I know XML and SOAP languages that you're fluent in. So, I'm in America, so I hardly even speak English. let's see if that's required. I'll just save changes. Please set at least one social so that companies can contact you there.

david raistrick: It is a very random set of things that appear to be required.

David Busby: One social.

david raistrick: Why would they have to contact you wouldn't they contact me via email?

David Busby: Let me just No, I put my own site in,…

David Busby: but then it says you have to do something else. I got all the socials. Please enter a single language you are fluent in. All right. Preferred time zone. Please write these as the common sated list like zero or…

david raistrick: You must be social to apply to sign up on our job website.

David Busby: plus one. Otherwise, I'll robot camp filter. Where am I? Am I West Coast, East Coast minus five or is it minus4 now that we spring ahead?

david raistrick: Right now we are minus four probably.

David Busby: So, what do I do here? Do I got to change this every time my time zone changes? US-en and I'm sorry. I did it wrong. US en- GB.

David Busby: I've pressed save changes and I don't know if it worked.

david raistrick: What does…

david raistrick: what just happened?

David Busby: I just pressed the button.

david raistrick: Did it not reject? there we go.

David Busby: Please add there it goes. I had to I guess it was just lagging and…

david raistrick: Could you guys just put little stars on these things,…

David Busby: it went two times. Please Add a row. 2000. No.

david raistrick: little asterisks that say these are required fields so that people know this? Did you just promote

David Busby: Hey, something spinning remote worker with 24 plus years experience.

David Busby: Last seen one second ago. I think it's neat that it wants to enforce that I have a photo in there. no.

david raistrick: Except it didn't,…

david raistrick: It didn't enforce the photo. It didn't The only way you could find out that these were required,…

David Busby: It said you had to have one with your picture in it.

david raistrick: but was by clicking save and finding out what happened. Yep.

David Busby: Yeah, that's fine. It feels like, you're hating on this thing and that works sort of against some of my bias because I think that the guy who made it is a good example of entrepreneurship things, So, …

David Busby: …

david raistrick: He doesn't need.

david raistrick: So this is why this is…

David Busby: don't badmouth that guy…

david raistrick: why this is…

David Busby: who doesn't know I exist.

david raistrick: why your funnel is a filter because it's going to exclude people who aren't willing to put up with your interfaces every step.

David Busby: You think that's what it's doing?

david raistrick: And that's why so when we were building video games, we really wanted funnels. We wanted to capture everyone. So, we were just identifying where they fell out of the funnel so that we could put walls up and guard rails to keep them in, versus when you're trying to create exclusivity,…

david raistrick: you only want the people that wind up at the bottom to be your payers.

David Busby: I have a file in this directory that's called David Avatar and…

David Busby: it's not showing up in this list because it says customized files. If I do select all files, I can get it. And look, that one's really got a face in it. Except it's too damn small. Not to worry. I have an idea. I have this piece of software you might have heard of called the GNU image manipulation program.

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David Busby: So my image needs to be 500. I'll just scale up export as I mean I know I typed the word convert that's as far as I got convert…

david raistrick: You're not going to use the image magic command line tools to do it.

david raistrick: Come on. You don't have all that off the top of your head.

David Busby: although I think one of the new versions of image magic now got rid of those command names that weren't really there and they're just sim links now and you have to say image imagic and…

David Busby: but converts the default one so you can just say that I ran into some script that was doing something with that that I had to fiddle with David phototo dash 5 I think I made it 512 and…

david raistrick: Yeah. …

David Busby: I think the filter here let's just find out real quick back to inspecting photo file uploader accepts jpeg.png. I'm just going to make it dojpeg because I wasn't trying to do that.

david raistrick: if it breaks the back end.

David Busby: I just needed that's what I do on my machine as I call my stuff JPEG and…

David Busby: I put the necessary characters in there. Where's David?

david raistrick: You grew up in a Windows world,…

david raistrick: right? Where in Windows world everything has only three digit threeletter extensions.

David Busby: No problemmo buddy. Look at that.

david raistrick: Let's see if it actually shows up on your profile when you save it.

David Busby: Just the client side filter.

David Busby: Save changes. I hit save changes, bro. Yeah,…

david raistrick: They've got a robot that's going to do face detection.

david raistrick: Does it work?

David Busby: I'm in there somewhere. All right, that's cool. So, now I can apply for a job. That's actually not so terrible. Senior jobs. Is that for old people? EP senior full stack everywhere.

David Busby: What's lemon io? I wonder marketplace that connects you with handpicked.

david raistrick: with handpicked startups.

david raistrick: So that's a a faux agency basically just another website to send your stuff to that will Except that this probably isn't actually working for Lemon IO.

David Busby:

David Busby: This is so meta right here, This is like, please show me the definition of recursion. And I go to look for a remote job. And then there's this company that helps me find a remote job that's advertising on this remote job site to you could get a remote job working for this other company that helps you find a remote job. It's like

david raistrick: This is going to lead you to add to their applicant pool. I mean, maybe you would be working for them, but I suspect

David Busby: women I know is hiring something.

david raistrick: I suspect that this apply now and join the community. Yeah. Yeah.

David Busby: We also have an urgent request from our client senior with years three plus of pi Yes,…

david raistrick: This is just a database builder job post, right? So they need résumés in their database so that they can convince people to list jobs with them.

David Busby: Yeah,…

david raistrick: And this job post is just a lead.

David Busby: right there it says Watch a short video about something. Complete your profile on yet another website. Hooray. 30 minute screening call. Technical interview feedback magic box.

david raistrick: Don't forget they mention the word fervent otherwise they will think you are a bot above salary compensation.

David Busby: Why are you saying that?

David Busby: Please mention the word fervent when applying to show you read the job post completely. Do you think you should also include this? It's like base 64 encoded something or other. Get one online here.

david raistrick: No, but I think you should decode it and…

david raistrick: find out what it is,…

David Busby: I don't want to do it on my own computer or…

david raistrick: Don't know what else is.

David Busby: some binary s All right. it's convinced me this to hexon to base 64-d.

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david raistrick: Yeah.

David Busby: Is that right? Yeah, I got the same thing. I just did this nonsense and it says it's invalid input." Maybe because it doesn't like that terminator or something. I don't even know. But then I get some binary s***.

David Busby: Who knows what that is? help with no file or when file is do the dash. I did.

david raistrick: I mean,…

david raistrick: they say between 20 and 50% of jobs that are listed are fake.

David Busby: I can believe that.

david raistrick: I mean, this one is functionally fake, because it's just somebody and this isn't a new problem in 25 years ago.

David Busby:

David Busby: It's a job for that.

david raistrick: 25 years ago, I would apply for jobs that turned out that they were just stuff in databases. And I still get calls or emails to an email address that I only used for sending resumes out in the year 2000.

David Busby: Go. Why did this bounce back to my own resume?

david raistrick: And every now and then I'll even get a phone call because they'll have managed to find a newer phone number a year 2002 phone number. and it's amazing how they're buying old databases so that they can call people. Yeah. Click through one to see see…

David Busby: Yeah, why not, I think you might be right that these guys are that Front page. Maybe that's what I want. that these guys might be just scraping jobs from somewhere else, I love that they have all these nice icons on here,…

david raistrick: if you won't get any right.

David Busby: though. Yeah. There used to be this really cute icon set back in the day called lk. This is maybe what silk would have turned into. I mean, it looks a lot like that silk icon Give me a job that says API in it.

David Busby: I wonder if he's loading that as maybe like a font or something. It doesn't even matter. really could just be emojis these days. some of these jobs are also pretty old. Do you think there's like a cap?

david raistrick: I don't know.

david raistrick: I don't know if he filters them off or not. and the thing about 6, 12, 18, 24-month old jobs is sometimes if you apply to those, you're that one person that applies and the position still open or they've just decided to open a new position.

david raistrick: It depends on whether or…

david raistrick: not this ends up in a generic form or you wind up in the ATS position because if they haven't closed it in the ATS then you can still submit in the days of before the ATS systems you would just hit a web form and you could still submit or it said send an email right but if they've closed the position then the ATS will close it so there's a be dead links but click through the apply what does it take us to the ATS That was wing assistant.

David Busby: Right. This one.

David Busby: No, this one takes me to that's right. I have an account now. I'm chilling.

david raistrick: Was that an ad inside the posting?

David Busby: No, this is the job.

david raistrick: No. Okay. Okay. Wing assistant was the company.

david raistrick: Okay.

David Busby: somebody doing llm in Python and…

David Busby: he cannot get that's a friendly error message is that…

david raistrick: That's going to lever and it's failed. Yeah.

david raistrick: And it didn't even give you a friendly double slash in there.

David Busby: what you're talking about friendly it tells me exactly what happened can't you read reject it does have Whack apply.

david raistrick: Remove that double slash. See if it on a Yeah.

David Busby: Dude.

david raistrick: See if that fixes it.

David Busby: And look Here's that weird base 64 s***.

david raistrick: No. Okay.

David Busby: RM blah blah blah blah blah is in the URL here,…

00:55:00

david raistrick: So this job's been closed.

David Busby: Has been closed.

david raistrick: Yeah. …

David Busby: right, that's too bad because two months ago anyways. Is that one?

david raistrick: but go back to the lever.

David Busby: I clicked the back button. It does not go backwards. it returned to my profile. I think there's just the one that's broken.

david raistrick: No. But you got the tab open, go to the lever tab. Is it? Yeah. Yeah.

david raistrick: And just go back. So strip off everything the FFDA.

David Busby: Get wing app.

david raistrick: So now you can see Yeah.

David Busby: You want to just get wing app?

david raistrick: For le with lever you should be able to see all the jobs that they have posted.

David Busby: This is like the company's profile page.

david raistrick: Yeah. If it loads.

David Busby: Do you have a plan?

david raistrick: There we go. So that way you say,…

David Busby: Founders associate strategic finance sales support onboarding ALM blah blah blah frontend web developer MER.

david raistrick: "Hey, they did once posted something. Maybe they have something for me. burn mat.

David Busby: I noticed they're hiring all of their devs seem to be no. they have this innovation engineering looks like it's in India, Mumbai, Hadurbad, etc. So, sales calls from South Africa. here's a bunch of jobs specifically to India,…

David Busby: What does that one say? PH is Philippines.

david raistrick: the Philippines.

David Busby: Why it says Bravo? Is that a location?

david raistrick: Bravo Charlie. Are these their office names or something in the Philippines?

David Busby:

David Busby: I don't even know. Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta though it makes sense.

david raistrick: Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Development. Lever is very slow today,…

David Busby: Don't you know how to do the phonetic alphabet? Real estate virtual assistant lead generation specialist. Hey, I know how to do that. …

david raistrick: isn't it?

David Busby: I don't know. I share the internet with somebody who's playing Roblox. Could be that. I guess I saw a bunch of stuff on the internet folks were like, " I'm so mad. Job applying sucks." and I thought, " those cats don't know anything, It's not that terrible but I'm ignorant about it because I have not applied for a job in ages." here we go. Lead generation.

David Busby: Apply for the job.

david raistrick: And now you wait a little bit.

David Busby: Where did I just put my Resume. That's cool. we're entertaining ourselves here. Should put my LinkedIn profile in to see if anybody can pull that up. maybe Lever is overloaded because they're currently hiring a Kubernetes engineer to help scale up and they're having extra job applications right now everybody's looking for a job at the moment.

David Busby: Look at this desired salary is a big old text box. That's cool.

david raistrick: It's so start date.

david raistrick: Can you work weekends?

David Busby: What is No, I already selected no and…

david raistrick: This was a sales gener a lead generation job.

david raistrick: So, okay, that's fair. Yep.

David Busby: How did you hear about this job?

David Busby: Hey, they don't even have What's his name on here? Are you currently employed? Yeah. What is your notice period? I don't care. Have you worked for these folks before? What time of the day can you work? I prefer my local dayshift. Are you okay?

David Busby: What's a screen monitoring program? no. I I thought that was gonna monitor me a screening. You think that they're going to record my screen while I'm doing …

david raistrick: Yeah, right.

david raistrick: No, no. They're going to record your screen and make sure your mouse is moving at all times.

David Busby: I should say yes on that one. And then complain that they can't get it to install properly on Gen 2 Linux. just, this job's not working out for me. Can't you just switch distributions? f*** no. yeah, I'll talk about Upload a screenshot of your upload and download speeds. The screenshot should look as follows on this thing that's not a link and this other thing that's not A backup internet. I only have one internet.

01:00:00

David Busby: of your computer spec.

david raistrick: But that's required.

david raistrick: If you've got to give a screenshot of both of them and what your computer specification just starting stuff out of proc.

David Busby: Let's see what they want that to look like. details in Windows security. I think I can get details about my machine. H find slashprock dash exit cat and just barf all the stuff. I used to have lshw installed, but I don't think I'm going to cat all the output into a text file and…

david raistrick: But then you're going to have to screen you have to do a rolling screenshot of a window, right? Because it has to be a screenshot.

David Busby: then I'm going to render the text file in a large browser window that can be as tall as it needs to be and then I'll make that take a screenshot of the document that is incredibly tall with a headless browser, it can do that and that'll work. I wonder if I should do that just to harass these folks.

David Busby: That is the end of my rant on this one. Man, this is ridiculous. And I think I understand people's frustration, I'm not even like trying to find a job. What if you were trying to find a job?

david raistrick: And we're only just scraping the surface of the mess.

david raistrick: Yep.

David Busby: This would suck ass, and you're trying to figure out this and you have to do this a 100 times a day or at least maybe it's not a hundred times a day but it's a nonzero amount of times per day and you're going to…

David Busby: then and…

david raistrick: And somebody's going to say you need to If you're a conscientious applicant,…

David Busby: I have my LinkedIn updated and I might have to have my profile site updated and I might be nervous about some of the jobs because they're not going to keep me private, or they're going to have to check my referrals or references or something, like folks will call me up and say, "Hey, I want to use you as a reference. Is that okay?" Hell yeah it is. I feel like I've made good hiring choices my whole life. may or may not be true, but I'm happy to be a reference. I get a

david raistrick: right, then you're going to look at this job description. You're going to try to make sure that you only apply to jobs that feel like they actually resonate with you and that you, work for you. And so, you're going to invest time in each one of these job descriptions. Then you've got to go deal with the thing. maybe you decide you're going to write a cover letter because maybe they have a required field for a cover letter, which is an upload and not just something you would type into a field.

david raistrick: So now you have to go create a PDF that you can upload as a cover letter, right? You invest a lot of time into that even with what should be simple.

David Busby: I think this is…

David Busby: how you do it. Oops. I don't have it with pandock but that's how I got my resume done was I was using pandoc and markdown to that's what it is MD2 PDF a docker container that does just that f****** love it the docker size is 1.6

David Busby: 6 gigabytes to do an MD to PDF. Are you flipping kidding me? That's ridiculous. I wonder how big my pandock images though. Pand. Core is I got three different pandock ones and the total is more than 1.6 gigs. So, okay, I get it. Maybe that's what it has to be. Anyways, what needs to happen with all this AI s*** is instead of having it on the applicant tracking side, the applicant should all just post their resume and now it's not an applicant tracking system. It's like a job tracking system for the applicant.

David Busby: here's your resume and we're going to auto filter all these jobs out there for you to find the stuff you are qualified for because the job says it's remote something you need a JTS and then the employer side as the employer what the promise of Upwork was and it never delivered was that with Upwork I could go into Upwork and say yeah I found a project and I'm working on a project and I, got to build a team. So, we need a Terraform expert. I should be able to go to Upwork, look for my Terraform expert, find one who's available right now for work, and then click on it and hire them for the next week full-time.

01:05:00

David Busby: I need you for the next 40 hours, do the work for me. Do the thing for 40 hours. And then as the company side, I'm not even going to interview anybody. the interview costs $2,000. Might as well just hire somebody and say, "I will pay you $2,000 to do the job that I need you to do." and don't even give them any of the BS " and if it works out, we'll continue the relationship." That's how it always works. Hey girl, you want to go get some coffee? And if the coffee goes girl, hey, let's go get a dinner. Let's go get dessert. Let's go get some drinks. that's how it always works with all the relationship.

David Busby: Hey, the first date was good. Let's have another and another and another and another and another. So, and how come Upwork and who was the other one? Upwork bottom. It was like Upwork was one and…

david raistrick: They bought Fiverr,…

David Busby: Elance or…

david raistrick: didn't they?

David Busby: maybe it was Elance rebranded to and Freelancer.com. I wonder if that one's even still Hire the best freelancers. it is still online. I wonder if I still have my account there. password. Sure did. I don't remember email or Incorrect. I should just make my password incorrect so every time it's wrong, I can just make it say incorrect and get back in. So, freelancer didn't get absorbed.

David Busby: I think Upwork was maybe Elance and then maybe grabbed up somebody else to build themselves. But neither one of those is giving me upload your job posting and we'll AI your job posting and then look in our talent pool and pull them to the top. I mean, it sort of is doing that, but then I'm still doing the whole hiring process and looping back through and seeing if they're the right fit and all those other things. I guess because I'm just not looking for a gig worker. But sometimes I feel like if the company's really got an urgent I need somebody to do my Terraform real quick or I have an old project on this legacy box and I just need somebody to repackage this legacy box thing into some VM image. Don't even try to make it in a container.

David Busby: just turn it from that Windows host on that hardware into a thing that'll run on Windows in a VM. And now I can move all over my infrastructure and Copy and paste that for backups, etc. and just hire somebody, send them the employment agreement, send them the non-disclosure agreement, send them the works for hire assignment of intellectual property things, blah blah blah. and then don't even interview.

david raistrick: Right.

David Busby: Just pay them $2,000 of work because the interview is going to cost you $2,000. that only works though if the candidate is available for work, which is maybe sort of something you want to do. I only want to find people who are currently looking for work. Everybody else who's gainfully employed and sort of looking for something to do, and again in March 2025 where, there's some increasing joblessness.

David Busby: It used to be, if these guys are unemployed, The.com bubble, if you were unemployed, it was because you suck. And there were loads of people who did suck but were employed, and then it was like, if you don't have a job right now or you're looking for work because you got let go or whatever, maybe it's…

David Busby: because you're not good. the company went out of business. Maybe the company went out of business because all of you were not good. you got some stink on you. this was pretty good and I see why everybody in this game is frustrated and I can see why it's even frustrating for folks on the other side. By the time you meet a candidate, they've already been annoyed. they've already been on hold for 45 minutes,…

david raistrick: right? …

David Busby: and typed in their name and their account number and their pin code into the phone system and then you're like, "Thanks for calling Wells Fargo. What's your name?" I told you come over.

01:10:00

david raistrick: then they got you've been on hold and it says thanks, we'll call you back.

David Busby: Yeah. No, I mean problem,…

david raistrick: And so they're waiting on the call back, but only some of them call you back.

David Busby: I wonder I wish I had more time to do the experiment. how long would it take me to give a call back on a job that I feel like I could be qualified for? or how many of these just turn into ghost jobs? none of the Indeed or…

david raistrick: at least or…

David Busby: any of those other ones said about the email. You maybe should set up a phony email for every job that you're applying for or for every ATM that you run into.

david raistrick: least a batch, okay, for 2025, I'm going to use this email address,…

David Busby: Jobseker 2025gmail.com or…

david raistrick: right? and…

David Busby: something clever.

david raistrick: remember everyone, on any of the goo Google email platforms, all you have to do is add a plus and an extension and that is a valid email address.

david raistrick: Jobseker plus2025gmail.com your jobseker@gmail.com plus 20 has valid email address remembering…

David Busby: I mean,…

David Busby: I'm all about user address extensions, but I think that some of these systems, there's two problems when you try to use them. and…

david raistrick: what you do.

David Busby: I frequently try to use them,…

david raistrick: Yeah. apparently they've never read RFC 822 superseding…

David Busby: but some of them accept your email with the user address extension on there, plus or whatever, but then strip it out when they're doing stuff to send you email or putting you into their system. Or then some of them say plus symbol in your email address. that's unpossible and it won't even let you sign up or whichever. I think it's been superseded by another one. but yeah,…

david raistrick: but the constraints are still there.

david raistrick: The constraints are still the same. if you Yeah,…

David Busby: plus supposed to be allowed for mail programs,…

david raistrick: It is a completely valid character in an email address. And it's not an extension.

David Busby: not for job, not for an ATS.

david raistrick: But…

David Busby: Right.

david raistrick: but there's plenty that it's entirely possible for you to have a valid email address that's not an extension address in a different platform that plus is part of your email address.

David Busby: That's right.

David Busby: I remember a cajillion years ago let you post has a configuration variable that says…

david raistrick: In …

david raistrick: if you're using Qmail extensions, they're a hyphen. Gmail Google decided to use I think Postmix use pluses,…

David Busby: which character do you want to use for this magic sauce?

david raistrick: right? Exactly.

David Busby: Pick something crazy.

david raistrick: But if you don't use that, it's just a character in your email address and it's totally valid.

david raistrick: So if an ATS or anyone else building a form fields decides that plus isn't a valid character,…

david raistrick: they are choosing to exclude some valid email addresses regardless of extension or otherwise.

David Busby: Yeah, that's some b*******.

David Busby: I found how I got my resume in PDF format is that I came out of markdown And I am trying to figure out how to get it to then run from my pandock docker container because I have docker because I'm not installing all the dependencies for f****** pandock.

david raistrick: Yeah. Heat.

David Busby: This was a good jam session, that was more fun than I expected it was going to be. so I'm mark that one done. I'm going to wait for these transcripts and I'm going to get this one up there. I'm going to All right, I stopped the recording now. I think the transcription is still going, whatever. But, I think I'm going to go through and put pages on adosio.com that might just take the transcript and…

David Busby: do this other stuff. This is an experiment I was trying at OpenTHC to try to drive more noise, more traffic, more visibility to the stuff. And then Adosio.com's old website, I got good page rank. Remember that?

david raistrick: right? Let's see…

David Busby: And so if I'm adding something into the blog and then it's pointing to the YouTube and blah blah blah, maybe that will help out. So cool. and then do you have any ideas what to talk about on Friday?

david raistrick: if you listen a

David Busby: Friday I have buy versus AI was something that was cool. Vendor driven churn feels more like a drunken rant, which I'm down for. Startup focus s***, annoying UI s***, inadin, rs sync, prototype, desktop containers. I added desktop containers in all the browsers just recently because I had a need for doing some blah blah blah. This app I wanted to run use depended on a special JRE that wasn't part of the Gen 2 portage tree.

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david raistrick: right?

David Busby: I'd have to get an overlay or do something blah blah blah. And then I found out that on Linux server.io has a shedload of containers doing stuff already that are built by the group there somehow. it's random contributors who have met some minimum bar and now are included in this Linux servers.io thing and he's got one for our desk. They've got one for Our desktop is just running a remote desktop client.

David Busby: And as our desktop image it is tagged with Debian, Arch, Alpine, Fedora and various desktops mate I3 XFCE the best one in the world and things like this although their Debian has XFC 4.18 and we're all running 4.20 20 now with better whin support which is fine because I don't use whin so I don't care.

David Busby:

david raistrick: So you're using our desktop into those instead of using BNC or…

david raistrick: something. Yeah.

David Busby: That's right. there's other ones that do they have VNC servers. XVNC is very popular, but this one uses our desktop. And the one I found, the thing I've started using is using R desktop. And it's pretty cool because when you start our desktop, one of the things you can do is tell it here's the geometry of the window.

david raistrick: Right. You control it online.

David Busby: So that you control it on the client side. When I connect, I say R desktop, my geometry is 1920 x 1080. And that's actually not what I say that geometry is 1900 by 1080 because my monitor is 1900 by 1200 and I want it to be almost as wide as my monitor and…

David Busby: almost as tall as my monitor and then I have a big full window.

david raistrick: I was doing some desktop automation in Docker today last night…

david raistrick: because I needed to run a 15-year-old Windows app. So, I was letting wine run it.

David Busby: Gosh.

David Busby: Does it work?

david raistrick: So the Docker container copies the executes the installer, then I have the container that has it already installed. So then it's all guey automation from there.

david raistrick: Both mouseclick automation and keyboard automation to get the stuff done. And then the script copies the files out that I needed and it's done. And it's all happening inside VNC even if I never connect the client.

David Busby: I did something fairly similar.

David Busby: Yeah. Yeah. I did something similar to that and one of the first iterations was trying to just make XVFB,…

David Busby: the virtual frame buffer go in there…

david raistrick: Yeah. Right.

David Busby: because we wanted to run the browser not headless but not writing to the dis not on the display so that we could visit specific streaming pages and record what is going on. it's for monitoring advertising think a Neielson rating kind of like problem is my ad being shown etc I was just doing that part of the automation somebody else was working on tooling to try to figure out…

david raistrick: Right. Right.

David Busby: how to make it so that browser would look like a specific profile like different demographics across 32 data points b**** Yeah. Anyways, if you think of something for there for Friday,…

David Busby: I'm fine. I think I might, keep build versus buy as the next idea because a good rant. You get to talk about*** love AI. So AI.

david raistrick: Let's do that.

david raistrick: Yeah. Yeah, let's do it.

David Busby: You Friday. Thanks.

david raistrick: right. Cool, man. Bye.

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